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Monday, 7 March 2016

DIRECTORATE OF INDIAN ARMY VETERANS

  • Please be informed that the Directorate of Indian Army Veterans (DIAV) has been inaugurated on 14 Jan 2016. This newly raised directorate is located along the Cavalry Road in Delhi Cantonment and the Veterans and Next of Kin may feel free to visit us during the working hours.
  • With a view to reach out to the veteran fraternity, an official web portal at URL www.indianarmyveterans.gov.in has been fielded to meet the needs and aspirations of the veteran fraternity. Accordingly, the veterans and NoK may like to register themselves on this web portal for periodic news update & services and redressal of grievances
    For the said purpose, you are requested to please fill in details as per the format appended below and mail the same at armyveteranscell@gmail.com or veteranscell-army@nic.in. Alternatively, the form duly filled on a hard copy could be mailed to the undersigned at Directorate of Indian Army Veterans, 104, Cavalry Road, Maude Line, Delhi Cantt – 110010.


    VETERANS REGISTRATION FORM

Saturday, 5 March 2016

VETERANS - MUST ACT WHILE IN GOOD HEALTH

ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN BY VETERANS WHILE STILL IN GOOD HEALTH
JUST DONOT POSTPONE THEM EVEN FOR A DAY
1.              While in service, we planned for all contingencies which might occur, whether in official or personal matters. However, after retirement many of us do not display the same meticulousness in our personal affairs. We feel that we still have plenty of time to go and will place our affairs in order In due course of time. When the unexpected happens, the NOK are left to clear an unimaginable tangle of legal and financial issues. It is obviously our responsibility towards our loved ones to organise our personal affairs, while we are still in good health, so that our NOK can receive assets as smoothly as possible. Some measures to ensure this are enumerated in succeeding paragraphs.

Monday, 22 February 2016

THEY DID THE CORPS PROUD

    In this section our aim is introduce our Signallers who have made the Corps proud by their acts of unmatched bravery, Courage and Extra Ordinary Achievements. This post includes the following articles:-

1.         The  article compiled by Lt Col HS Bhandari (Veteran) and  publishes in The SIGNALMAN Feb 2011 issue. 

Friday, 5 February 2016

OROP IMPLEMENTATION INSTRUCTIONS

         The implementation instructions have also been issues within 24 hrs of the issue of the MOD (DESW) Letter of 03 Feb 2016 vide PCDA(P) Circular Number 555 dated 04 Feb2016 to the Banks and other Pension Disbursement Agencies (PDAs). The Circular can be viewed / downloaded from their web site by opening the URL as under :-
                                                         http://www.pcdapension.nic.in/6cpc/Circular-555.pdf  
       The circular also has the MOD letter as an attachment to it. The circular gives comprehensive instructions to the PDAs to check the rank groups qualifying service of the pensioners from their PPOs and then pay as per the relevant tables as explained there. IT HAS BEEN HOWEVER ALLEGED THAT CERTAIN CONDITIONS WHICH ARE NOT THERE IN THE GOVT LETTER HAVE BEEN IMPOSED BY PCDA ON ITS OWN THERE BY DENYING THE RIGHTFUL PENSION TO JCOs & ORs
        The PDAs are initiating action to make OROP payments to the pensioners with necessary Dearness Relief.. No application is also required from the pensioners.
                                              

         All types of Family Pension will also be revised as given in the related tables attached. Since the Family pension is related to the Retiring Pension of the Pensioners the Family pensions will be regulated as per the Qualifying Service of the Pensioner, which is a new feature from the earlier instructions given in Circular No 500. This is because earlier that was the minimum guaranteed pension were as the OROP scheme is not based on minimum guaranteed scales.
\         All Majors who had retired after 21 years of service will be paid pension of LT COL.
           The arrears wef 01 Jul 2014 till date will be paid in full to all types of family pensioners and gallantry award winners where as to others it will be in four equal installments.
          The retiring pension of the Pensioners who retired after 01 Jan 2006 till 30 Jun 2014 will also be regulated as per OROP scheme. However in case they are already drawing more than the pension given in the related table will continue to get the higher pension.
          The PBORs will be given pension as per their maximum terms of engagements which have also been listed in the Circular No 555. The circular also includes the equivalent ranks in Navy and Air Force for easy of understanding by the PDAs. Similarly various groups have also been charted with equivalent groups in Navy and Air Force. ORs who have been granted ACP 1 or ACP ll will be paid the pension of higher rank.

     Note :-  The tables as relevant have also been hosted in our following posts. Should any one of our readers like to ask any questions on the OROP scheme he/she should pen the same down in the comments colm. We will endeavour to reply by hosting our reply under their comments on this post. Please do give your rank and name so that we know that you are a Armed Forces Veteran even if of the lowest rank.


EXTRACTED FROM CIRCULAR

11. The provisions of this circular shall be applicable to all Pre-01.07.2014 pensioners/family pensioners and their pension/family pension shall be stepped up with reference to rank, group and qualifying service in which they were pensioned.

Note: -a) The officers retired on or after 1.1.1996 in the rank of Major and who have completed 21 years of service have been allowed the pay of Lt.Col. Accordingly, pension of these officers have been revised by issue of Corr. PPOs. It is therefore, requested to revise the pension of post-96 Army Officer with rank Major and its equivalent in the Air Force and Navy who have completed 21 years

GO TO FOLLOWING POSTS FOR DETAILED TABLES


OROP - CALCULATE YOUR ARREARS
OROP IMPLEMENTATION INSTRUCTIONS
OROP SCHEME - TABLES (OFFICERS)
OROP SCHEME - TABLES (PBORs)


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Thursday, 4 February 2016

OROP SCHEME - TABLES (OFFICERS)

                        HOW MUCH HAS YOUR PENSION BEEN ENHANCED (INCL %age) ?
     The much awaited tables have since been issued as part of implementation of the OROP. The Table for Officers are placed here in this post. The tables for Medicos  are also  hosted  for our Doctor Fellow Veterans of Pre-2006 retirees. The tables for various types of Family Pensioners can also be accessed with links at the end of this post.
   The Govt letter and detailed tables can be downloaded from  http://www.desw.gov.in/sites/upload_files/desw/files/pdf/2016.02.03-OROP.pdf . The letter containing tables is a large pdf file of about 15 Mb. It has 205 pages incl 101 Appces of Various tables covering all aspects of pension for officers, JCOs & ORs and their equivalent ranks.
     Look for the figure under your Rank and against the Number of years of actual service i.e the QS mentioned in your PPO. (Your service more than 3 months is to be counted as half year and more than
        9 months is taken as full year. The rank weigtages are not to be added since these have been catered for in the figures of the pensions shown against the QS. The same can be well noticed for higher QS years showing similar figures of pension for the number of years equal to the rank weightage) 
    The figure is your basic pension wef 01 July 2014. Now deduct from this your current basic pension the difference will be your hike in pension for OROP. You will get arrears in 4 installments for the period starting 01 July 2014. These are shown in the table below for full pension.
     Multiply the above derived difference by Maths Constant of "40.53"  (INCREASE X 40.53 = Arrears) you will get the arrears receivable up to 31 JAN 2016. Similarly the total increase monthly as of date can be calculated by multiplying the increase/difference by 2.19 which is the current DA.

 KNOW AS TO HOW OROP HIKES YOUR PENSION:-    The Chart below pertains to the Service pension and the Ordinary family Pension in respect of Regular Officers of the Army Navy and IAF who have completed 33 Yrs and above of  service before retirement incl rank weightage. For officers, with less service detailed tables may be checked which can be opened from the links given at the end of the post.  ( check rank weightages under Qualifying Service in this blog). The tables issued by the PCDA (P) cater for the rank weightages While the service in the service column QS is actual service while the pension figures are already  given for the service plus rank weightage for convenience.

COMMISSIONED OFFICERS   (OTHER THAN AMC/ADC/RVC)

                Notice the percentage increases in respect of the officer's retiring pension



Para 11 (a) of the Circular (MAJORS 21 YRS OF SERVICE)   

a) The officers retired on or after 1.1.1996 in the rank of Major and who have completed
21 years of service have been allowed the pay of Lt.Col. Accordingly, pension of these officers
have been revised by issue of Corr. PPOs. It is therefore, requested to revise the pension of
post-96 Army Officer with rank Major and its equivalent in the Air Force and Navy who have
completed 21 years.


TABLE No 1 (RETIRING PENSION REGULAR OFFICERS)   
        
        PART - 1 (18 TO 25.5 Yrs OF QS)


                      Note - Lt Col (TS) and Lt Col (SG) are under the same Coln,
    

 PART - 2   (26 YRS TO 33 YRS AND ABOVE OF QS)



                           Note -      Lt Col (TS) and Lt Col (SG) are under the same Coln

                   
TABLE CIRCULAR -500.  This table gives the pension of Regular Officers as applicable before the OROP for ease of comparison with your Rank and QS. 



        This circular can be seen at    http://www.pcdapension.nic.in/6cpc/Circular-500.pdf                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                         
COMMISSIONED OFFICERS  - AMC/ADC/RVC

TABLE 2    - This table gives the Pension of Officers from  AMC / ADC and RVC  as below under the OROP Scheme.  The OROP pension for them for 33 Yrs of Service and above is Rs 42500/- from Lt Col to Maj Gens. There has been no increase in pension under OROP for officers of the Ranks of Lt, Capt, Maj, and Lt Gens.


                      The Arreas shown above are for the period from 01 Jul 2014 to 31 Jan 2016 and will be paid by the PDAs in four equal instalments.

         PCDA (P) Circular No 555  includes Table No 2, which gives detailed authorisation of OROP Pension for the Medical Officers based on their QS (Qualifying Service as mentioned in their PPOs).
      Since under Cir-24 with addition of the NPA the pensions got enhanced by 25% and now under the OROP Scheme are to be enhanced further, these can only go up to the maximum of the  Fitment Table equivalent of Notional Pay of  Rs 79000/- under PB-4  ie just below the HAG+ Scale. Therefore  in most cases the pensions reachs  the max of Rs 42500/- much earlier for various ranks.

       It will be seen that Lt Cols with QS of 22.5 and above, Cols and above with QS of  21.5 Yrs reach the maximum payable pension of Rs 42500/- per month.

       In view of the above Lt Cols who left earlier stand to gain by getting the pension of a Lt Gen.


       The method for calculations of hike and the arrears is same as mentioned above


There is no increase for the ranks as mentioned above at full service, however with lesser QS, there are increases under the OROP Scheme which can be seen.        
The Arrears shown above are for the period from 01 Jul 2014 to 31 Jan 2016. These arrears will be paid to the Family Pensioners in one go.

TABLE CIRCULAR -24 .  This table gives the revised pension of the Medicos, NPA included for comparison with the OROP table above for services less than 33 Yrs .



This circular is available on PCDA (P)'s web site and can be viewed at ---
                             http://www.pcdapension.nic.in/6cpc/Circular-24.pdf

                               _____________  &&  ______________ &&   _____________

CLICK ON THE TITLES BELOW TO OPEN OTHER RELATED TABLES FOR OFFICERS INCL MEDICOS.

REGULAR COMMISSIONED OFFICERS


TABLE 1- OFFRS REGULAR - RETIRING/SERVICE PENSION
TABLE 10- OFFRS - ENHANCED RATE OF FAMILY PENSION
TABLE 19- OFFRS - NORMAL RATE OF FAMILY PENSION
TABLE 28- OFFRS -SPECIAL FAMILY PENSION
TABLE 37- OFFRS - SPECIAL DEPENDANT/2nd LIFE AWARD FAMILY PENSION
TABLE 46- OFFRS - LIBERALISED FAMILY PENSION
TABLE 55 - OFFRS - LIBERALISED DEPENDANT/2nd LIFE AWARD FAMILY PENSION
TABLE 70- OFFRS - DISABILITY ELEMENT
TABLE 79 - OFFRS - WAR INJURY ELEMENT (DISCHARGED)
TABLE 88 - OFFRS - WAR INJURY ELEMENT (INVALIDED OUT)


MEDICOs


TABLE 2- OFFRS AMC/ADC/RVC - RETIRING/SERVICE PENSION
TABLE 11- OFFRS AMC/ADC/RVC -ENHANCED RATE OF FAMILY  PENSION
TABLE 20- OFFRS AMC/ADC/RVC - ORDINARY RATE OF FAMILY  PENSION
TABLE 29- OFFRS AMC/ADC/RVC -SPECIAL FAMILY PENSION
TABLE 47 - OFFRS AMC/ADC/RVC -LIBERALISED FAMILY PENSION
TABLE 71 - OFFRS AMC/ADC/RVC -DISABILITY ELEMENT





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Dear Veterans,
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                                                                                                                   Brig Narinder Dhand (Veteran)

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OROP SCHEME - TABLES (PBORs)

   OROP सरकार ने लागू कर दी है और बैंकों को पेमेंट करने के आदेश जारी हो गए हैं!  *KNOW YOUR PERCENTAGE HIKE*
        आप को कई लोग आज अपना उल्लू सीधा करने के लिए गुमराह कर रहें हैं ! आप अपने आप विचार करें! OROP से जो के past और  present रिटायर्ड  पेर्सोंनेल्स की पेंशन में फरक था उसको तक़रीबन ख़तम किआ गिया है! यह कोई जिआदा पेंशन देने का मुद्दा नहीं था और ना ही है ! आप अपने आप इसको चेक करें  अपने साथ वालों से जो PRE-06 और POST-06 के रिटायर हुए है और उतनी बराबर सर्विस , रैंक वा ग्रुप वालों की पेंशन तक़रीबन बराबर बनती है या नहीं! अगर नहीं है तो कुछ बात है  जिस के लिए  संघर्ष  जारी  रखना होगा !
           जैसा के आप को मालूम होगा  JCOs & ORs की पेंशन 01 जुलाई
                                                                        **  आगे पढ़ने  के लिए नीचे क्लिक करें **

2009 को बढ़ाई गयी थी ! उस समय यह पेंशन  "MODIFIED PARITY" यानि के पुरानी पेंशन को तकरीबन POST-2006 रिटायर होने वाले PBORs के बराबर कर दी गयी थी ! आप ने देखा होगा के जो लोग JAN 2006 के बाद रिटायर हुए थे उनकी पेंशन और आपकी पेंशन में कोई खास फर्क जुलाई २००९ से नहीं रहा था ! इसे आप नीचे दी हुई example से देखे और विचार करे !
      यह फार्मूला ऑफिसर्स के लिए लागू नहीं किआ गिया था इस के कारन उनकी पेंशन पोस्ट -2006 के रिटायर होने वाले ऑफिसर्स से बहुत ही कम थी जिसकी पूर्ती OROP से कुछ हद तक हो रही है!
    अब OROP आने से जनवरी 2006 से पाहिले और बाद वाले रिटायर होने वाले लोगों की पेंशन में फर्क तक़रीबन तक़रीबन मिटा दिया गिया है! अगर कुछ है भी तो बहुत ही थोडा है और एवरेज लेने के कारन है और सिर्फ नाम मात्र ही है!
    आगे पढ़ने पर आप को टेबल्स और बाकी की डिटेल्स मिल जाएँगी ! अगर आप का कोई सवाल हो तो COMMENTS (कमेंट्स) में लिख दें हम कोशिस करेंगे आप का जवाब देने को! आप अपना रैंक जरुर नाम के साथ लिखें ता के हम आपको ठीक तरह एड्रेस कर सकें!
 
   

EXAMPLE --
सर्कुलर नो 430 में जो पेंशन दिखाए है वोह  50% of Notional Pay जिओ के उस रैंक और ग्रुप की के  maximum pay scale  है ! नीचे टेबल में maximum पे स्केल दी गई हैं . .


RANK
X Gp
Y Gp
Sepoy
Rs 14,050
Rs 12,000
Nk 
Rs 15,060
Rs 13,150
Hav 
Rs 16,710
Rs 14,290
Nb Sub
Rs 23,020
Rs 24,350
Sub
Rs 26,210
Rs 23,940
Sub Maj
Rs 26,900
Rs 24,570 

आओ अब नाएक Y ग्रुप की पेंशन कैलकुलेट करें.

Nk of Gp Y जो  के  15 साल की सर्विस पर रिटायर हुए  उनकी पेंशन इस तरेह होगी .
:  Pension : 0.5 x (13150+50) x (15+10)/33 = Rs 4600 pm

यह  फिगर Circular 430 में दिया हुआ है -  Rs 4600 pm  

किओं के यह पहले से ही maximum स्केल पर है तो pre-2006 और पोस्ट-2006 वाले रिटायर्ड JCOs और ORs की पेंशन इस लिए जुलाई २००९ जब यह सर्कुलर लागू हुआ है से कोई खास फरक नहीं बचा है.!

CIRCULAR 501 - जो के 24 SEP 2012 से लागू हुआ है उसमे maximum पेंशन को ३३ साल से ३२ साल कर दिया गिया है. अब आप ऊपर वाली EXAMPLE को कैलकुलेट करें तो पेंशन 4600 से 5156 बनती है जो के इस सर्कुलर में दी गई है.  


   Let us look at the increase in pension with the OROP Scheme by comparing the Pensions which were fixed as on 1-1-2006 when Recommendations of 6th CPC were implemented with effect, with  the scales of OROP. The chart below shows the increase in pension and the Percentage increase.


It will be noticed that the Other Ranks  have been awarded with above 40% increase while JCOs with above 20% from their pensions as on 01 Jan 2006. Their pensions were increased and brought at modified parity with post -2006 retirees twice on 01 Jul 2009 and 24 Sep 2012. This had been done only for the JCOs and ORs and not for the officers.

The much awaited Tables giving OROP pension have been issued by the MOD. All related tables generally meant for the PBORs and various types of Family Pensioners are given at the end of this post for convenience.
                                
The Govt letter with detailed tables can be downloaded from  http://www.desw.gov.in/sites/upload_files/desw/files/pdf/2016.02.03-OROP.pdf .

The letter and the tables is a large pdf file of about 15 Mb. It has 195 pages incl 101 Appces of Various tables covering all aspects of pensions for the Armed forces. Table No 7 as given in the said Govt letter in respect of PBORs has been  hosted below in this post and all other tables can also be accessed.
    You can look for the figure under your Rank and against the Number of years of actual service i.e the QS mentioned in your PPO. Your service more than 3 months is to be counted as half year and less than 3 months is ignored.
    This is your basic pension wef  01 July 2014. Now deduct from this your current basic pension the difference will be your hike in pension for OROP. You will get arrears in 4 installments for the period starting 01 July 2014.
     Multiply the above derived difference by Maths Constant of "40.53"  (INCREASE X 40.53 = Arrears) you will get the arrears receivable up to 31 Jan 2016. Similarly the total increase monthly as of date can be calculated by multiplying the increase/difference by 2.19.
                             
OROP  - COMPARITIVE TABLE - JCOs, ORs & HONY LT & CAPTs

इस टेबल में रैंक के आगे अपनी क्वालीफाइंग सर्विस देख कर कालम 'C ' या 'F' के नीचे OROP की फिगर दी गयी है जो के आगे वाले टेबल से ली गयी है को नोट कर लें ! इस में से जो भी फिगर कलम 'D' या 'G' के नीचे है वोह आपकी अभी की बेसिक पेंशन होनी चाहिएं  जो के सर्कुलर नंबर 501 से ली गयी है को माइनस (घटा दें ) कर दें .  वोह आप की पेंशन में बढात (increase)  है . यह कालम 'E' व 'H' में दी गई हैं !

1.   आप के अर्रेअर्स ARREARS  होंगे =  कालम 'E' या 'H' गुणा ( MULTIPLY) X  40.53  1 जुलाई २०१४ से 31 जनवरी 2016 तक !  
     Example - Havildar 'Y' Gp with 24 Yrs of Service -  Arrears will be  = 433X40.53=17550.
                    
2.    आप की नई -OROP- पेंशन  =   कालम 'C' या 'F'  गुणा ( MULTIPLY) X  2.19   हर महीने !
       Example - Havildar 'Y' Gp with 24 Yrs of Service - New Pension will be = 7808X2.19= 17100 per month with DA as applicable today of 119%.

                        GROUP 'X'                         GROUP 'Y'

         (अगर आप को कोई गलती मिले तो नीचे कमेंट्स में लिख दें हम उसे  ठीक करने की प्रतिक्रीय करेगे)

Table No 7  These are from the detailed tables as given in Govt Letter of 03 Feb 2016









NOTE :- The figures given in the tables above should be compared with the current pension you are getting as per PCDA Circular Number - 501 which can be viewed by opening the following web page :-

                   http://www.pcdapension.nic.in/6cpc/Circular-501.pdf 

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OTHER RELATED TABLES FOR JCOS & ORs AND EQUIVALENT RANKS IN NAVY AND IAF - CLICK ON THE TITLES BELOW TO OPEN 


TABLE - PRE -  01-06-1953 DISCHARGED ARMY PERSONNEL
TABLE 7 - JCOS ORs RETIRING/SERVICE PENSION
TABLE  16 - JCOS ORs  ENHANCED RATE OF FAMILY PENSION
TABLE  25 - JCOS ORs  ODINARY RATE OF FAMILY PENSION
TABLE  34 - JCOS ORs  SPECIAL FAMILY PENSION
TABLE  43 - JCOS ORs  SPECIAL DEPENDANT/2ND LIFE AWARD FAMILY PENSION
TABLE  52 - JCOS ORs LIBERALISED FAMILY PENSION
TABLE  67 - JCOS ORs  LIBERALISED DEPENDANT/2ND LIFE AWARD FAMILY PENSION
TABLE 76 - JCOS ORs  DISABILITY ELEMENT
TABLE 76 - JCOS ORs  WAR INJURY ELEEMENT (DISCHARGED)
TABLE 76 - JCOS ORs  WAR INJURY ELEMENT (INVALIDED OUT)



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Monday, 1 February 2016

QUALIFYING SERVICE (QS)

        With implementation of the OROP the Qualifying Service is now a very important factor for all Pensioners and Family Pensioners. The QS as mentioned in your PPOs is to be considered by the PDAs while fixing your pension under the OROP Scheme. It is therefore important that you must check the same in your PPOs for correctness as per your Records of Service.  

         For convenience the QS in respect of various types of entries are explained below;-

Wednesday, 6 January 2016

DON'T LEAVE YOUR FAMILY IN LURCH

CASE STUDY

PLEASE READ THIS CASE STUDY VERY CAREFULLY -  Life lessons shared   on the Web---

           We always  believe we will live forever. Bad things always happen to others. Only when things hit us bang on your head you realise... Life is so unpredictable.... My husband was an IT guy ...all techie...And I am a chartered accountant...Awesome  combination you may think...

             Techie guy so everything is on his laptop ...his to do list... his e-bill and his bank statements in his email...  He even maintained a folder which said IMPWDS...wherein he stored all login id and passwords for all his online accounts...And even his laptop had a password ... Techie guy so all the passwords were alpha-numeric with a special character not an easy one to crack ...Office policy said passwords needed to be changed every 30 days...So every time I accessed his laptop I would realise it's a new password again... I would simply opt for asking him 'What's the latest password' instead of taking the strain to memorise it.


            You may think me being a Chartered Accountant would means everything is documented and filed properly... Alas many of my chartered accountant friends would agree that the precision we follow with our office documents and papers do not flow in to day to day home life...At office you have be epitome of Reliability I Competent I Diligent etc but... at home front there is always a tomorrow ... One fine morning my hubby expired in a bike accident on his way home from office. His laptop with all his data crashed...everything on his hard disk wiped off  No folder of IMPWDS to refer back to... But that was just the beginning... I realised I had a lot to learn... 9 years married, no kids, just the two of µs to fall back on, but now I stood all alone and lost.

          Being a chartered accountant helped in more ways than one but it was not enough... I needed help...His saving bank accounts, his salary bank accounts had no nomine...On his insurance his mom was the nominee and it was almost 2 years back she had expired ... but this was just a start .... I didn't know the password to his email account where all his e-bill came ...I didn't know •which expenses he paid by standing instructions...

    The house we bought with all the excitement...on a loan...thought with our joint salary we could afford the EMl... when the home loans guys suggested insurance on the loan...we decided the instead of paying the premium the difference in the EMI on account of the insurance could be used pay towards prepayment of the loan and .get the tenure down...We never thought what we would do if we have to live on a single salary. So now there was huge EMI to look into  I realised I was in for a long haul...  Road accident case,  so everywhere I needed a Death certificate, FIR report, Post Mortem report. For everything there were forms running into pages, indemnity bonds, notary...surety to stand        up       for        you...No       objections       certificates        from        your        co-heirs.. I learnt other than your house, your land ... your car, your bike are also your property ... So what if you are the joint owner of the flat...you don't become the owner just because your hubby is no more... So what if your hubby expired in the bike accident...and you are the nominee but if the bike is in a repairable condition ...you have to get the bike transferred in your name to claim the insurance...And that was again not easy... the bike or car cannot be transferred in your name without going through a set of legal documents ... Getting a Succession Certificate is another battle all together ...

          Then came the time you realise now you have to start changing all the bills, assets in your name...Your gas connection, electricity meter, your own house, your car, your investments and all sundries... And then change ati the nominations where your own investments are concerned...And again a start of a new set of paperwork...

             To say I was shaken...my whole life had just turned upside down was an understatement. ..You realise you don't have time to mourn and grieve for the person with whom you spent the best years of your life...because you are busy sorting all the paper work ... I realised then how much I took life for granted...! thought being a chartered accountant I am undergoing so many difficulties...what would have happened to someone who was house maker who wouldn't understand this legal hotchpotch...

             A sweet friend then told me dear this was not an end...you have no kids...your assets will be for all who stand to claim...after my hubby's sudden death...I realised it was time I took life more seriously... Inow needed to make a Will... Iwould have laughed a few months back if he had asked me to make one ...But now life had taken a twist. ..

Lessons learnt this hard way were meant to be shared...After all why should the people whom we love the most suffer after we are no more...Sorting some paperwork before we go will at least ease some of their grief ...

1.            Check all your nominations... Bank Accounts, Fixed Deposits, NSC, Bank Lockers Demat Accounts,Insurance (Life,Bike or Car er Property}, investments, PPF etc.

2.            Passwords.... We  have  passwords  for  practically   everything   What   happens   when your next of kin cannot access any of these simply because they do not know your password... Put it down on a paper...

3.            Investments... Every year for tax purpose we do investments... Do we maintain an excel sheet about it... If so is it on the same laptop of which the password you had not shared... Where are those physical investments hard copy...

4.            Will... Make a Will...t know you will smile even I would...had I not gone through all what Idid...lt would have made my life lot easier...a lot less paperwork...I wouldn't have had to provide an indemnity bond, get it notarised, ask surety to stand up, no objections certificates from others...

.5.            Liabilities... When you take a loan say for your house or car ...Check out on all the what ifs...what  if I am not there tomorrow ...what if I lose my job ...Will the EMI still be within my range...lf not get an insurance on the loan...The people left behind will not have to worry on something as basic as their own  house...

         My battles have just begun...But let us at least try and make few changes so that our loved ones would not suffer after we go...We do not know what will happen in the future...But as the Scout motto goes: Be prepared!!Learn from my experience and prepare today for the unexpected. A little effort now will save your loved ones a lot of trouble later.

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NOMINEE IN BANK ACCTS - LEGAL STATUS

LEGAL ISSUES -WILL YOUR NOMINEE GET THE MONEY ON YOUR DEATH -- HE/SHE WILL NOT MOST PROBABLY

       Did you think that your nominee is the person, who will get all the money
legally from your Life Insurance Policy and Mutual funds investments? Ha!
That is exactly what you’d think if you aren’t aware of the legal aspects.
We assume a lot of things which sounds like they’re obvious, but are not
true from the legal point of view. Today, we’ll concentrate on nominations
in financial products.


       For whom are we earning? For whom are we investing? Who, do we want
to leave all our wealth to, in case something happens to us? It might be
your children, your spouse, parents, siblings etc., or just a subset of these.
You also might want to exclude some people from your list fo
beneficiaries! So you think you will nominate person X in your Insurance
policy, and when you are dead and gone, all the money goes to person
X and he/she becomes the sole owner? You’re wrong, dude ! It doesn’t
work that way. Let’s see how it actually does!
What is a nominee?
          According to law, a nominee is a trustee not the owner of the assets. In
other words, he is only a caretaker of your assets. The nominee will only
hold your money/asset as a trustee and will be legally bound to transfer it
to the legal heirs.
For most investments, a legal heir is entitled to the
deceased’s assets. For instance, Section 39 of the Insurance Act says the
appointed nominee will be paid, though he may not be the legal heir. The
nominee, in turn, is supposed to hold the proceeds in trust and the legal
heir can claim the money.
           A legal heir will be the one whose is mentioned in the will. However, if a
will is not made, then the legal heirs of the assets are decided according
to the succession laws, where the structure is predefined on who gets how
much. For example, if a man during his lifetime executes a will. In the will,
he mentions his wife and children as legal heirs, then after his death, his
wife and children are the legal owners of his assets. It is essential that one
needs to execute a will. It is the ultimate source of truth and replaces the
succession law. Nominee can also be one of the legal heirs.
           Important. Mention the Full Name, Address, age, relationship to yourself
of the nominee. Do not write the nomination in favour of “wife” and
“children” as a class. Give their specific names and particulars existing at
that moment. If the nominee is a minor, appoint a person who is a major
as an appointee giving his full name, age, address and relationship to the
nominee.
Why is the concept of nominee?
          So you might be wondering, if the nominee does not become the sole
owner, why does such a concept of “nominee” exist at all? It’s pretty
simple. When you die, you want to make sure that the Insurance
company, Mutual fund or your shares should at least get out of the
companies and go to someone you trust, and who can further help, in
process of passing it to your legal heirs.
              Otherwise, if a person dies and hasn’t nominated anyone, your legal heirs
will have to go through the process of producing all kind of certificates like
death certificates, proof of relation etc., not to mention that the whole
process is really cumbersome! (For each legal entity! The insurance
company, the mutual funds, for the shares, for the real estate..) . So, to
simplify, if a nominee exists, these hassles don’t happen, since the
company is bound to transfer all your money or assets to the nominee.The
company the goes out of scene & then, it’s between nominee and legal
heirs.
Example of Nomination
             Ajay was 58 years old who died recently in an accident. As his children
were settled, he wanted to make sure that his wife is the sole owner of all
the monetary assets. This includes his insurance policy and mutual funds.
So during his lifetime, he nominated his wife as a nominee in his term
insurance policy and mutual funds investments. However, after Ajay’s
death things didn’t turn up the way he wanted. The reason being Ajay did
not leave a will. Though his wife was the nominee in all his movable assets,
as per the law, his wife, along with children, were the legal heirs and all of
them had equal right to Ajay’s assets.
           One simple step which could have saved the situation 2qw that Ajay
should have made a will which clearly stated that only his wife was
entitled to get all the money and not his children.

IMPLICATIONS OF NOMINATION ARE DIFFERENT FOR EACH CATEGORY !!
Nomination in Life Insurance
              A policy holder can appoint multiple nominees and can also specify their
shares in the policy proceeds. Nomination in life insurance has one
limitation, as insurance policies are bought to secure your financial
dependents, your first choice of nominee has to be your family members.
In case you want to nominate a non-family member like a friend or third
party, you will have to show/PROVE the insurance company that there is
some insurable interest for the person. This happens because of a Clause
called PRINCIPAL OF INSURABLE INTEREST in insurance. Note that provision
of nomination in life insurance is related to Section 39 of the Insurance
Act. Note that as per LIC website
             Nomination is a right conferred on the holder of a Policy of Life Assurance
on his own life to appoint a person/s to receive policy moneys in the event
of the policy becoming a claim by the assured’s death. The Nominee
does not get any other benefit except to receive the policy moneys on
the death of the Life Assured. A nomination may be changed or
cancelled by the life assured whenever he likes without the consent of the
Nominee.
               Make sure, you have a nominee for your policy for easy settlement of the
claim, if you do not have any nominee mentioned in the policy, it can turn
out to be a disaster for your dependents to get a claim.
Nomination in Mutual funds
              In case of mutual funds, you can nominate up to three people, who can
be registered at the time of purchasing the units. While filling in the
application form, there is a provision to fill in the nomination details. Even
a minor can be a nominee, provided the guardian is specified in the
nomination form. You can also change nomination later by filling up a
form which is available on the mutual fund company website. Nomination
in mutual funds is at folio level and all units in the folio will be transferred to
the nominee(s). If an investor makes a further investment in the same folio,
the nomination is applicable to the new units also. A non-resident Indian
can be a nominee, subject to the exchange control regulations in force
from time to time.
Nomination in Shares
            Quiz for you . Now you know what a nominee means and who actually
gets the money. So if there is a husband H, with wife W and nephew N,
and he has nominated his nephew N to be the nominee of his shares in
demat account, who will have the legal right to own the shares after
husband’s death? If you answer is wife, you are wrong in this case! In case
of stocks, it does not work the usual way, if a will does not exist.
In the verdict, Justice Roshan Dalvi struck down a petition filed by Harsha
Nitin Kokate, who was seeking permission to sell some shares held by her
late husband. The Court noted that as she was not the nominee, she had
no ownership rights over the shares. Ms Kokate’s lawyer had argued that
as she was the heir of her husband who had died intestate (without a will),
she should have ownership rights of the shares, and be able to do
anything with them as she wished. In this case, Ms Kokate’s husband had
nominated his nephew in favour of the shares. Justice Dalvi however
noted that under the provisions of the Companies Act and the
             Depositories Act, Acts which govern the transfer of shares, the role of a
nominee was different.“A reading of Section 109(A) of the Companies Act
and 9.11 of the Depositories Act makes it abundantly clear that the intent
of the nomination is to vest the property in the shares which includes the
ownership rights there under in the nominee upon nomination validly
made as per the procedure prescribed, as has been done in this case.”
It means that if you have not written a will, anyone who has been
nominated by you for your shares will be the ultimate owner of those
stocks, The succession laws on inheritance will not be applicable but in
case, you have made a will, that will be the source of truth.
Nomination in PPF
                 Let me give you some shock first. If you have Rs 10 lakh in your public
provident fund (PPF) account and you have not nominated anyone for
your PPF account, your legal heirs will get maximum of Rs1 lakh only! Yes,
it’s so important to have a nominee, now you get it. You can nominate
one or more persons as nominee in PPF. Form ‘F’ can be used to change or
cancel a nomination for PPF. Also note that you cannot nominate anyone
if you open an account for a minor.
Nomination in Saving/Current/FD/RD Account in Banks
FD’s also come with nomination facility. While opening a new account,
there is a column for nomination in the same form and you should fill it.
You can nominate two persons with first and second option. Note that in
case you have not done any nomination till now, you should request Form
No DA-1 from your Bank which is used to assign a nominee in future.
(Examples of ICICI Bank , HDFC Bank , Canara Bank) . In the same way to
change/cancel the nomination you need to fill up Form no DA-2. Read
about Corporate Fixed Deposits

               As per a famous case, A Bench of Justices Aftab Alam and R M Lodha in
an order said that the money lying deposited in the account of the
original depositor should be distributed among the claimants in
accordance with the Succession Act of the respective community and
the nominee cannot claim any absolute right over it.
Section 45ZA(2)(Banking Regulation Act) merely put the nominee in the
shoes of the depositor after his death and clothes him with the exclusive
right to receive the money lying in the account. It gives him all the rights of
the depositors so far as the depositors’s account is concerned. But it by no
stretch of imagination make the nominee the owner of the money lying.


MAKE A WILL ! DO YOUR NEXT KIN A HUGE FAVOUR BY NOT LEAVING THEM IN LEARCH!

MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF LAWS

INFORM EVERY ONE WHOM YOU FEEL MUST TAKE ACTION NOW.

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